Here is a quote from the evolutionist Percy who is part of the forum's "leadership" and I use the term leadership loosely given the tremendous loss of web traffic to his forum:
Gee, nice to be mentioned, even if only in an obituary!
His graph seems accurate, seems to track the decline in messages posted. It would be interesting to see a graph that went all the back to 2001.
Any guesses as to the creationist he quotes who says he was banned? Sounds like ForEverYoung, except that he's not suspended anymore.
--Percy
Percy, want more web visitors at your website forum? Stop banning creationists when they easily and effortlessly win debate after debate!
And we know that believers in biblical creation easily win debates with evolutionists. Around the 1970s, prominent evolutionists lost hundreds of debates at colleges, universities and other public places. As a result, they are now like timid little bunnies who are afraid to publicly debate.
Percy, are you confident that evolutionary belief can withstand cross-examination in a live debate? Are you willing to debate in an environment where you cannot ban creationists? We can even agree to a series of live oral debates lest you complain you didn't enough time to make your case.
We challenge Percy and his fellow EvC Forum evolutionists to a live public oral debate on the internet
Percy, are you willing to have a team debate centered around the 15 questions for evolutionists via a live recorded oral debate which would be distributed to tens of thousands of people?
If you are confident, please make the necessary arrangements via this free chat room: http://login.meetcheap.com/conference,89538844 You can make the necessary arrangements with the chat room moderators Shockofgod or VivaYehshua.
Alternatively, you can reach Shockofgod via his YouTube email account.
If you want to know more about the debate, any and all questions should be directed to Shockofgod or VivaYehshua.
Please don't make excuses as we know you and your fellow EvC Forum evolutionists have a lot of time on your hands and the graphs below help demonstrate this.
EvC Forum - Web traffic tracking graph from Compete.com for the period from 7/2011 to 7/2012:
(click graph above to see details of the graph)
EvC Forum - Web traffic tracking graph from Alexa:
Question Evolution! Campaign resources and other resources:
Question Evolution! Campaign
15 questions for evolutionists
Responses to the 15 Questions: part 1 - Questions 1-3
Responses to the 15 Questions: part 2 - Questions 4–8
Responses to the 15 Questions: part 2 - Questions 9-15
15 Questions Evolutionists STILL can't answer!
Can you provide even one example of a creationist winning a debate on EvC?
ReplyDeleteCan you supply the name of even one creationist who was banned without good cause?
Can you supply the names of 5 creationists who have been banned from EvC in the past year for any reason?
Typically unsubstantiated and vacuous claims.
DoubleU JayKay,
DeleteA few points:
1. We know that believers in biblical creation easily win debates with evolutionists. Around the 1970s, prominent evolutionists lost hundreds of debates at colleges, universities and other public places. As a result, they are now largely afraid to publicly debate. See: http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/science/SC1200W1.htm
2. The evolutionist Dr. Eugenie Scott said:
"During the last six or eight months, I have received more calls about debates between creationists and evolutionists than I have encountered for a couple of years, it seems. I do not know what has inspired this latest outbreak, but I am not sure it is doing much to improve science education.
Why do I say this? Sure, there are examples of "good" debates where a well-prepared evolution supporter got the best of a creationist, but I can tell you after many years in this business that they are few and far between. Most of the time a well-meaning evolutionist accepts a debate challenge (usually "to defend good science" or for some other worthy goal), reads a bunch of creationist literature, makes up a lecture explaining Darwinian gradualism, and can't figure out why at the end of the debate so many individuals are clustered around his opponent, congratulating him on having done such a good job of routing evolution -- and why his friends are too busy to go out for a beer after the debate."
3. Are you a member of EvC Forum? If so, what is your username there?
4. Are you an atheist? If so, what proof and evidence do you have that atheism is true?
5. Are you willing to have a debate centered around the
15 questions for evolutionists
via a recorded oral debate which would be distributed to tens of thousands of people.
If you are confident in your evolutionary belief, please make the necessary arrangements via this free chat room: http://login.meetcheap.com/conference,89538844 You can make the necessary arrangements with the chat room moderators Shockofgod or VivaYehshua.
If you want to know more about the debate, any and all questions should be directed to Shockofgod or VivaYehshua
6. Percy sometimes claims he is looking for creationist moderators, yet why have their been so few historically at EvC forum relative to evolutionist moderators? It seems suspicious to me - especially when you consider the dubious behavior of evolutionists in history. For example, see: http://www.creationism.org/caesar/haeckel.htm
6. I realize that EvC Forum lacks significant web traffic, however, why should I spend time wrangling with an unreasonable evolutionist on who won past debates at the EvC Forum which is now an obscure forum and heading for total obscurity - especially since evolutionists cannot satisfactorily answer the
15 questions for evolutionists
If you are from EvC forum, given EvC Forum's current obscurity, why doesn't Percy just accept our generous debate offer which gives him and his fellow evolutionists an opportunity to present their evolutionary views in an oral debate or series of oral debates to tens of thousands of people.
7. Are Percy and his fellow evolutionists intelligent enough to be able to talk in order to engage in an oral debate which would be distributed to tens of thousands of people? I think they are. Yet, all the intelligence in the world cannot make evolutionary beliefs true.
DoubleU JayKay,
DeleteAddendum:
You also wrote:
"Can you supply the name of even one creationist who was banned without good cause?
Can you supply the names of 5 creationists who have been banned from EvC in the past year for any reason?"
My response: Please see point #6 in my response to you which asks: Why should I spend time wrangle with an unreasonable evolutionists about EvC Forum which is now an obscure forum and heading for total obscurity - especially since evolutionists cannot satisfactorily answer the 15 questions for evolutionists.
In addition, there is the issue of the dubious behavior of evolutionists in history. For example, see: http://www.creationism.org/caesar/haeckel.htm
Look. You made this bold-faced claim,
Delete"Creationists censored and banned due to winning debate after debate."
I then asked you for some evidence to support that claim. Evidence such as a link to a thread where a creationist won a debate on EvC...about anything...ever. Or evidence like the name of someone who was censored and banned from EvC. After you do this, we can examine that evidence and see if it actually supports your claims.
Your reply, after some equivocation, goal post moving and misdirection, was,
"Why should I spend time wrangle with an unreasonable evolutionists about EvC Forum..."
What you do with your time is up to you but when you make such spurious claims regarding 'unreasonable evolutionists' you are obligated to support your claims with evidence or have them dismissed as the spurious claims that they are.
3 things:
Delete1. I certainly don't want to wrangle with an evolutionist and/or atheist denialist.
Just to make sure you are not an atheist denialist, please answer my previous questions.
I particularly want to know if you are an atheist and what proof and evidence you have that atheism is true.
2. In addition, please give your thoughts on the events surrounding the Richard Dawkins vs. Rabbi Shmuley Boteach debate. See: http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/07/richard-dawkins-and-rabbi-shmuley.html
Until you pass these atheist/evolutionist denialists litmus tests, I am afraid we cannot have a dialogue.
3. Your refusal to accept our generous debate offer which would air your evolutionist views to tens of thousands of people is very telling.
Hi, I'd like to accept your generous offer of debate with the proviso that the subject of debate be the phylogenetic concurrence between the geni of Geomyidae and Geomydoecus, which is an overwhelming proof of evolution that no creationist has ever been able to respond to.
ReplyDeleteChet,
DeleteAs part of any debate agreement, you would need to debate the 15 questions for evolutionists first.
We are are not going to allow you to avoid such topics as the fossil record or other areas damaging to the evolutionary paradigm.
If you are confident in your evolutionary beliefs, please make the necessary arrangements via this free chat room: http://login.meetcheap.com/conference,89538844 You can make the necessary arrangements with the chat room moderators Shockofgod or VivaYehshua. Alternatively, you can email Shcokofgod via his YouTube email at http://www.youtube.com/user/shockofgod
If you want to further discuss debate arrangements, any and all questions should be directed to Shockofgod or VivaYehshua.
No, I'm sorry - you invited the debate, which means I get to determine the terms of participation. If you're afraid to address the irrefutable phylogenetic convergence of Geomyidae and Geomydoecus - which is understandable, since it demolishes the creationist position - then I'll consider your invitation retracted. Further communication will be at the "15 Questions Site Afraid to Debate" topic which I will open at EvC forum.
DeleteChet,
DeleteI strongly suspect you are a member of EvC Forum.
This blog was founded on 11/12/2012 and it isn't even a year old. Although we plan on aggressively promoting a Question Evolution! blog using blog promotion best practices, it hasn't been aggressively promoted so far.
Yet, in terms of web traffic this Question Evolution! blog already outranks EvC Forum according to Alexa. When you consider that EvC Forum has been around since at least 2001, the "achievements" of EvC Forum in terms of outreach are very modest indeed. I am guessing that the "superior evolutionist intellect" of Percy who has futilely done over 11,000 post to EvC Forum is in charge of your website's "outreach". Percy reminds of a hamster that furiously spins around in a wheel, but never really goes anywhere. Yet, despite the plunging web traffic of EvC Forum, Percy is afraid to accept our debate offer which would give his obscure evolutionist website exposure to tens of thousands of people.
In addition, global atheism/agnosticism are both shrinking while global Christianity is rapidly expanding. See: Global decline of atheism and the rise of global creationism. Information on the Question Evolution! Campaign!
Given the speciousness of evolutionism (see:
Refuting evolution), the explosive growth of global biblical creation belief, the global shrinking of atheism/agnosticism in terms of adherents which is expected to affect the Western World and the obscurity of EvC Forum, you are certainly in no position to dictate debate terms. Consider yourself fortunate that we will debate someone promoting evolutionary quackery!
Chet, please see:
DeleteThe hamsters of evolutionary belief spin wildly on their wheels, but they are going nowhere at the address below:
http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-hamsters-of-evolutionary-belief.html
I strongly suspect you are a member of EvC Forum.
DeleteUh, well since I just told you that I was, I'd say that's a pretty good "suspicion" there, Sherlock.
I am guessing that the "superior evolutionist intellect" of Percy who has futilely done over 11,000 post to EvC Forum is in charge of your website's "outreach".
I don't believe that EvC forum has any "outreach" agenda whatsoever. Relentless self-promotion isn't everybody's goal, 15.
Percy is afraid to accept our debate offer which would give his obscure evolutionist website exposure to tens of thousands of people.
I don't think it's appropriate for you to declare that others are afraid of your "debate offer" while you've run in fear from mine. Glass houses, etc. Are you prepared to address the proof of evolution in Geomyidae and Geomydoecus, or like all other creationists will you turn tail and run from this evidence while simultaneously declaring "victory"?
Chet,
DeleteWhile I admire your persistence, nonetheless, you must debate om our terms - not yours.
Accept our terms or face total obscurity like the rest of evolutionists at EvC Forum.
You must have an oral debate on
15 questions for evolutionists
that will be recorded and distributed to tens of thousands of people before we will debate your debate topic.
The ball is in your court.
There will be no future communication with you via this blog until you accept this debate offer and carry through with the debate.
Even if self-promotion were my goal, it's not clear how debating with you - on any terms - would promote me. You have absolutely zero capacity to raise my profile in any way. Obscurity is the only outcome whether I debate with you or not.
DeleteRegardless, the record is clear that you've run from the proof of evolution I've put forward above.