"Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?" - Psalm 2:1
Today an evolutionist whined to our Question Evolution! Campaign group about the inevitable total victory of creationists over Darwinism which is coming. He did this via a blog comment to our article entitled 5 strategies to collapse Darwinism
Why he is complaining is anyone's guess, but I think I adequately surmised the primary reason for his complaint. It certainly wasn't a legitimate complaint given the total inability of Darwinists to satisfactorily answer the 15 questions for evolutionists
Here was complaint of the evolutionist:
So you want 'total victory' over Darwinism, such that no one believes in evolution any more? Despite the fact 'Darwinism' isn't a religion, isn't trying to remove this belief something that one of those authoritarian regime like Stalin or Mao were trying to do? I mean in both of those regimes the government sought to disallow people from believing in Christianity or whatever they believed in. Don't you come from America where no matter how stupid and loony your beliefs are, you are still entitled to believe in them? I mean taking you for example, despite how ridiculous your beliefs are, I'm pretty sure most western atheists would argue that you should be allowed to believe in them. Don't you see it as kind of hypocritical to seek the 'world collapse of Darwinism', when you condemn the actions of others who persecute and prohibit the belief in Christianity? - Hobbes CobainOur Question Evolution! Campaign group's response is given below
Dear Hobbes Cobain,Related articles
A few comments:
1. Darwinism is a religion. And you don't have to take my word for it. You can take the word of a fellow Darwinist who is an atheist and one of the leading philosophers of science.
“Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.” - Michael Ruse
2. Second, Darwinism is taught through the state and it has become a state religion.
3. Historically, Christianity has triumphed over state religions. For example, the state religion of atheism in the Soviet Union. Also, the roman god of the Roman Empire. To my knowledge, nobody worships Zeus anymore.
Plus, the religions of atheism/evolutionism are shrinking in the world while global Christianity/creationism are seeing explosive growth: Christianity and biblical creation belief are experiencing tremendous growth
4. You wrote:
"Don't you come from America where no matter how stupid and loony your beliefs are, you are still entitled to believe in them?"
Given the barbarous behavior of Darwinist in history and the tactics they have used to try to suppress biblical creation belief, I really don't give out personal information to evolutionists. See: Evolutionary belief and Nazism/communism and Expelled: New movie exposes the persecution of Darwinism doubters by evolutionists
Also, there is fair degree of religious freedom in America and we want to improve things by removing governments from subsidizing the religion Darwinism via the indoctrination of school children.
5. Why are you so against my belief that total victory over Darwinism can be achieved? There is certainly historical precedent for Christianity achieving total victory over false religions or states which have state religions.
I am not advocating this be done through violent means but through peaceful means instead. I think you feel threatened because you know that the false religion of Darwinism is bunk and it will end in the future.
6. Just because someone has the legal right to do something, doesn't mean that they should not be persuaded to stop doing something. Cigarette smoking is legally allowed, but that doesn't mean it is beneficial to people.
You need to get used to the idea of Darwinism having to compete in the public square of ideas without the benefit of state indoctrination because that day is coming. See: Darwinists, start thinking the unthinkable
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Wow I feel so honoured, a whole article dedicated to me....
ReplyDeleteSo to address your points...
1.Darwinism is a religion because some guy who is an ATHEISTS said it was.
Well firstly since you have said atheists are the most mistrusted people, why listen to this guy? I mean you've said "atheists" are untrustworthy, but you’re clinging on to this guys words as if it’s the bible. Also since this atheist said _____, and therefore it’s true, then using this logic, these Christians (Westboro Baptist Church) said "It's a sin to pray for America." which means prayer in schools is wrong. Now obviously you don't agree with that, but my use of logic here is the same as yours. Your just saying “This guy who has the same belief as you said this _____, and since he has the same belief as you, it’s true”.
2. Second, Darwinism is taught through the state and it has become a state religion.
Well…. That’s irrelevant but ok. You know what else is taught in schools? MATHS! Maths is a religion! Whether or not you think Darwinism is a religion, it doesn’t make sense to claim that since it is taught in schools it is a religion. There is lots of stuff taught in schools (like maths) but I don’t think you would claim them as religion.
3. Historically, Christianity has triumphed over state religions, yadada link links…
I don’t see the relevance of this to what I wrote. You’re just claiming that Christianity historically has more people support it then any other religion. Well cool. Not relevant to what I wrote. My point was you want to remove atheism, an ideology, religion or whatever you want to call it. You said you wanted “total victory”, which I assume is to make it such that there are no more “believers” in “Darwinism’s” left. This is just the same as what Mao or Stalin wanted isn’t it? To remove the beliefs of those who oppose their own.
4. Given the barbarous behavior of Darwinist in history and the tactics they have used to try to suppress biblical creation belief, I really don't give out personal information to evolutionist. See: link, link
Also, there is fair degree of religious freedom in America and we want to improve things by removing governments from subsidizing the religion Darwinism via the indoctrination of school children.
Honestly I don’t understand what your point was. You write Darwinists are bad, and act badly therefore I shouldn’t give out personal information therefore link, links therefore America has freedom and we want to improve our religious freedom… by limiting others. Does this address my point "Don't you come from America where no matter how stupid and loony your beliefs are, you are still entitled to believe in them?" No it does not. I didn’t ask for any of your personal information, so I don’t know why you wrote “I really don’t give out personal information to evolutionist”. This is really one of the weirder paragraphs I have read…
5. Why are you so against my belief that total victory over Darwinism can be achieved? There is certainly historical precedent for Christianity achieving total victory over false religions or states which have state religions. I am not advocating this be done through violent means but through peaceful means instead. I think you feel threatened because you know that the false religion of Darwinism is bunk and it will end in the future.
Ok good you want it peacefully and I agree Darwinism is a “false religion” (It’s not a religion), but in my statement I said nothing about thinking you couldn’t achieve it. Read it again. Did I say anything about saying you couldn’t achieve it? No. I did not say you couldn’t achieve it, so this point is completely irrelevant. Do I think you can achieve it? No, especially the way you’re going about it. And look I’m going to tell you now, I’m not threatened by you or how “Darwinism is bunk”. It is more I don’t care that much about evolution or atheism and it is much more fun to make fun of you and show how utterly stupid you are at arguing.
Hobbs Cobain,
DeleteI have serious doubts that you sincerely believe in evolution. I also believe you are someone who is rebellious to God and someone who wants me to spend time in pointless time wasting discussion,
Are you willing to have a debate centered around the 15 questions for evolutionists (see: http://creation.com/15-questions )
via a recorded oral debate which would be distributed to tens of thousands of people.
If you are confident in your evolutionary beliefs, please make the necessary arrangements via this free chat room: http://login.meetcheap.com/conference,89538844 You can make the necessary arrangements with the chat room moderators Shockofgod or VivaYehshua. Alternatively, you can email Shockofgod via his YouTube email at http://www.youtube.com/user/shockofgod
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Darwinism isn't part of any religion because it is just as plausible to an atheist as it is to a Roman Catholic as it is to a Buddhist. Creationism, on the other hand, needs a creator of some kind, and depending on beliefs, can be plausible or not. It's the same thing with the Grand Canyon. Most people say that it is the work of millennia of erosion, but believers in Paul Bunyan can argue that he dug it. Next, these 15 questions you pose to evolutionists as questions they can't answer are just questions they can't answer yet. There are plenty of things that science can't explain yet. One example of that is Nikola Tesla in the 1890s successfully created ball lighting, something that modern scientists have been unable to replicate. Just because scientists can't answer something now, doesn't mean they won't find an answer sometime in the near future. Finally, before you invite me to join you in your message room, answer one question for me. If you do achieve a "total victory" against Darwinism, how will you explain creationism to people whose religion and/or personal beliefs contradict the idea of a creator?
ReplyDeleteJacob Fischer,
DeleteWe both know that evolutionism is a atheistic/deistic origins myth which is not based on sound evidence. The evidence is on the biblical creation side. See: creation.com/creation-answers
We also know that religions are culturally systems/worldviews that affect morality and spirituality. Evolutionism has a negative affect on morality. The most vocal advocates of evolutionism since WWII have been atheists/agnostics.
See: Study shows moral decline linked to evolutionism: http://creation.com/morals-decline-linked-to-belief-in-evolution and evolutionism and morality at http://creation.com/morality-and-ethics-questions-and-answers
See atheism/agnosticism and evolutionism: http://creation.com/a-whos-who-of-evolutionists and http://creation.com/refuting-evolution-chapter-1-evolution-creation-science-religion-facts-bias
Next, we know the 15 questions asks very fundamental questions about evolutionism. If evolutionist cannot answer them it fails since the burden of historical claims are on the claimant. See: creation.com/15-questions
In addition. are you willing to have a debate centered around the 15 questions for evolutionists (see: http://creation.com/15-questions )
via a recorded oral debate which would be distributed to tens of thousands of people.
If you are confident in your evolutionary beliefs, please make the necessary arrangements via this free chat room: http://login.meetcheap.com/conference,89538844 You can make the necessary arrangements with the chat room moderators Shockofgod or VivaYehshua. Alternatively, you can email Shockofgod via his YouTube email at http://www.youtube.com/user/shockofgod
If you want to know more about the debate, any and all questions should be directed to Shockofgod or VivaYehshua
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i feel like you are being too hard on all of these people.... treating evolutionists like scum is not a good way to convert them. And it definitely does not help that you throw down the gauntlet and prevent them from replying until they do an oral debate... i mean, come on, really? maybe you should actually be polite and less people would post on here with angry thoughts... just some advice...
DeleteCason White,
DeleteA few points:
1. Given the heavy handed tactics of evolutionists and the power of the state that evolutionist use to indoctrinate public school children, evolutionists are hardly on the moral high ground. See: http://usstore.creation.com/catalog/slaughter-dissidents-p-963.html?osCsid=a2oueq889nffm87jtljeqs2dq5 and http://creation.com/expelled-new-movie-exposes-persecution-of-anti-darwinists and http://creation.com/indoctrination-of-children
In addition, there is the issue of evolutionary racism and violence. See: http://creation.com/communism-and-nazism-questions-and-answers
So evolutionists are more likely to treat people like scum. There are plenty of Christian charities, but no Darwinist charities that I am aware of. In fact, social Darwinism belittled charitableness.
2. You didn't demonstrate your allegation that all evolutionists are treated like scum at this blog rather than treated differently depending on their comments. Please refrain from making unsupported allegations.
3. We know that evolutionism is not ground on sound evidence, but rather on indoctrination, "gut feelings" and very often insincere bluffing and that is why leading evolutionists no longer widely debate (before they lost debate after debate). See: http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/02/evolutionary-gut-feelings-belief-in.html and http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/science/SC1200W1.htm
4. Evolutionism is contrary to the available evidence: creation.com/creation-answers
5. Are you willing to have a debate centered around the 15 questions for evolutionists (see: http://creation.com/15-questions )
via a recorded oral debate which would be distributed to tens of thousands of people.
If you are confident in your evolutionary beliefs, please make the necessary arrangements via this free chat room: http://login.meetcheap.com/conference,89538844 You can make the necessary arrangements with the chat room moderators Shockofgod or VivaYehshua. Alternatively, you can email Shockofgod via his YouTube email at http://www.youtube.com/user/shockofgod
If you want to know more about the debate, any and all questions should be directed to Shockofgod or VivaYehshua
If this page is called the "Question Evolution Campaign", shouldn't it be called "Question Evolution and Creationism" to get rid of bias? I mean, saying "Question Evolution" makes somebody rethink about evolution being true. Shouldn't there also be something to question creationism to get rid of bias?
ReplyDeleteAndrew Peacock,
DeleteYou statement concerning bias is illogical and an example of what C.S. Lewis called bulverism. See: http://www.barking-moonbat.com/God_in_the_Dock.html The evidence is clearly for biblical creation and against evolutionism. See: creation.com/creation-answers
Second, if you don't like our campaign, then start your own.
Third, are you willing to have a debate centered around the 15 questions for evolutionists (see: http://creation.com/15-questions )
via a recorded oral debate which would be distributed to tens of thousands of people.
If you are confident in your evolutionary beliefs, please make the necessary arrangements via this free chat room: http://login.meetcheap.com/conference,89538844 You can make the necessary arrangements with the chat room moderators Shockofgod or VivaYehshua. Alternatively, you can email Shockofgod via his YouTube email at http://www.youtube.com/user/shockofgod
If you want to know more about the debate, any and all questions should be directed to Shockofgod or VivaYehshua
There will be no future communication with you via this blog until you accept this debate offer and carry through with the debate.
Both creationism and evolution can be viewed as myths. It all comes down to viewpoint. Remember, no myth is a myth to the people who believe it. For instance, if you told the Ancient Greeks that Zeus was a myth, they would probably get cross with you because they believed Zeus to be true. If you told Christians that Jesus didn't exist and that he was a myth, they wouldn't call it a myth because they believe it to be true. If you told a Darwinist that evolution was a myth, the Darwinist wouldn't think so because they believed in evolution. No myth is a myth to the people who believe it.
ReplyDeleteAndrew Peacock,
DeleteThe evidence is clearly for biblical creation and against evolutionism. See: creation.com/creation-answers
Second, are you willing to have a debate centered around the 15 questions for evolutionists (see: http://creation.com/15-questions )
via a recorded oral debate which would be distributed to tens of thousands of people.
If you are confident in your evolutionary beliefs, please make the necessary arrangements via this free chat room: http://login.meetcheap.com/conference,89538844 You can make the necessary arrangements with the chat room moderators Shockofgod or VivaYehshua. Alternatively, you can email Shockofgod via his YouTube email at http://www.youtube.com/user/shockofgod
If you want to know more about the debate, any and all questions should be directed to Shockofgod or VivaYehshua
There will be no future communication with you via this blog until you accept this debate offer and carry through with the debate.