A person who commented on our blog who uses the username MOPC commented on our article 5 strategies for Darwism plus he accepted a debate challenge.
As a result, MOPC had a small debate exchange with the popular YouTube Christian Shockofgod who has about 20,000 YouTube subscribers. The debate exchange focused on the 15 questions for evolutionists of the Question Evolution! Campaign or at a bare minimum areas related to one or more of these questions. I was not in Shockofgod's free chat room at the time of the exchange.
Question #9 of the 15 questions for evolutionists focuses on this material:
Why are the (expected) countless millions of transitional fossils missing? Darwin noted the problem and it still remains. The evolutionary family trees in textbooks are based on imagination, not fossil evidence. Famous Harvard paleontologist (and evolutionist), Stephen Jay Gould, wrote, “The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology”. Other evolutionist fossil experts also acknowledge the problem.As you can can hear in the YouTube video below which focuses on the fossil record, MOPC did really bad in his exchange with Shockofgod and came across as the typical inept evolutionists (all evolutionists are foolish because the evidence supports biblical creation and not evolutionism. See: Creation vs. evolution - Examining the evidence):
See:
Where are the (expected) countless millions of missing link fossils - responses to evolutionists
That quote!—about the missing transitional fossils.
Missing millions of fossils video
MOPC vs. Shockofgod debate exchange
Question Evolution! Campaign resources and other resources:
Question Evolution! Campaign
15 questions for evolutionists
Responses to the 15 Questions: part 1 - Questions 1-3
Responses to the 15 Questions: part 2 - Questions 4–8
Responses to the 15 Questions: part 2 - Questions 9-15
Refuting evolution
Evidence for Christianity
15 Questions Evolutionists STILL can't answer!
selective editing, very dictatorial of you. bravo.
ReplyDeleteput the whole debate up if you're so resolute in the "result" of the discussion
Luke Manning,
DeleteI have my doubts that you have the whole exchange between MOPC and Shockofgod recorded. If you did, why didn't you share with us a YouTube link to such a recording. In short, I think you are bluffing.
Needlesss to say, based on the recording of Shockofgod uploaded to YOuTube, I was not impressed with MOPC. Darwinists rely on gut feelings for their ideology and not sound facts whereas biblical creationists and Christians can rely on abundant sound evidence. See: Evolutionary gut feelings, "Belief in Evolution Boils Down to a Gut Feeling" at http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/02/evolutionary-gut-feelings-belief-in.html and Evidence for Christianity at http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/09/evidence-for-christianity-websites-and.html
you seem to have misunderstood what I meant. I mean, you have made this blog page with your description of how one individual "easily and effortlessly" won the debate against the other participant. So you post a 1 minute 27 second extract of the debate.
Deleteif the "victor" won with such ease why have you not placed the whole recording up, so we can see them wipe the floor with the other participant.
selecting a short extract from something, I imagine went on for much longer, seems like selective editing. Anyone can make a statement like this and use a select example to "prove" it by selectively editing the whole pool of evidence.
if the whole exchange does get uploaded and the creationist does wipe the floor with the evolutionist then I will apologise with honest sincerity. But you have to admit, selective editing isn't a very effective persuasive tool when the whole scenario is obviously a lot more lengthy and detailed
Luke Manning,
DeleteI was very clear in the article that I don't know how long the debate exchange was. If it is a big deal to you, contact Shockogod and ask him. You can email Shockofgod via his YouTube email at http://www.youtube.com/user/shockofgod or contact him in his free chat room: http://login.meetcheap.com/conference,89538844
Macroevolution couldn't have happened from a biological standpoint and the earth is young so there is not enough time even if it could happen from a biological standpoint. See: creation.com/creation-answers
Furthermore, even if it somehow could happen, it would leave an adequate fossil record. The fossil record is a key issue and obviously MOPC was clueless when it comes to the fossil record.
If you take issue with what I have have said about evolutionism, voice your thoughts via a debate.
Are you willing to have a debate centered around the 15 questions for evolutionists (see: http://creation.com/15-questions )
via a recorded oral debate which would be distributed to tens of thousands of people.
If you are confident in your evolutionary beliefs, please make the necessary arrangements via this free chat room: http://login.meetcheap.com/conference,89538844 You can make the necessary arrangements with the chat room moderators Shockofgod or VivaYehshua. Alternatively, you can email Shockofgod via his YouTube email at http://www.youtube.com/user/shockofgod
If you want to know more about the debate, any and all questions should be directed to Shockofgod or VivaYehshua
"razor sharp creationist intellect"
ReplyDeleteI assume this is a joke.
Human Ape,
DeleteGiven your bio/profile at blogger which is unsupported, mind numbing propaganda at best, i am confident that any reasonably informed biblical creationist could win in a debate with you. You know this and I know this. I have noticed among evolutionists that employ shrill advocacy of evolutionism that it is invariably accompanied by timidity when it comes to accepting debate offers. They are all show and insincere posers.
Are you willing to have a debate centered around the 15 questions for evolutionists (see: http://creation.com/15-questions )
via a recorded oral debate which would be distributed to tens of thousands of people.
If you are confident in your evolutionary beliefs, please make the necessary arrangements via this free chat room: http://login.meetcheap.com/conference,89538844 You can make the necessary arrangements with the chat room moderators Shockofgod or VivaYehshua. Alternatively, you can email Shockofgod via his YouTube email at http://www.youtube.com/user/shockofgod
If you want to know more about the debate, any and all questions should be directed to Shockofgod or VivaYehshua
There will be no future communication with you via this blog until you accept this debate offer and carry through with the debate.
Not so much effortlessly winning a debate, more selective editing and quoting out of context. If what the evolutionist is saying has no substance, then why feel the need to present it in this distorted way.
ReplyDeleteMarkleBomBarkle,
DeleteAnyone can throw allegations out like a short order cook. Substantiating them is another matter. And unfortunately for you, you failed in this regard.
Unsubstantiated allegations, prejudicial conjecture, ridicule — all are frequent tools by the uninformed atheopath.
ReplyDeleteHere is something that I received in a response to the challenge:
"shock of god, you are joking i take it??? he is a total scientific illiterate. yes i have suffered his "videos" and he would ot know the scientific method if it raped his family.TBH i wouldn't even waste my very valuable time on that clown. i mean come on he belives dinosaurs and humans co-existed, and your telling me that is not even slightly stupid???
"i tell you what how about you think up your own questions and let me answer them. i will not waste my time on an intellectual dwarf"
If his grammar and punctuation are any indications of his intellectual prowess, no wonder this guy resorted to ridicule and weaseled out of the challenge. Looks like cowardice to me.