tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4680321916138509918.post3082413411495298411..comments2023-05-22T04:41:33.563-07:00Comments on Question Evolution!: Atheist leaders and immoral relationshipsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4680321916138509918.post-7077640882092223662012-12-30T19:47:48.591-08:002012-12-30T19:47:48.591-08:00Austin Fischer,
If you want us to pay attention t...Austin Fischer,<br /><br />If you want us to pay attention to you and what you have to say, first you need to show it's worthwhile doing so. Accept our debate offer and carry through with it.<br /><br />Until you do, we are not going to listen. You certainly do not appear to be sincere, but merely appear to be a poser. <br /><br />Don't count on your comments being read or posted until you accept our debate offer. 15 questions for evolutionistshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14858214883301865096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4680321916138509918.post-49756196828680979262012-06-20T23:11:24.129-07:002012-06-20T23:11:24.129-07:00Wellheriamnow,
First, I am not going to say that ...Wellheriamnow,<br /><br />First, I am not going to say that divorce is ok except for the reasons Jesus gave.<br /><br />Second, it is worth noting that high percentage of muderers, rapists, etc. came from fatherless homes. This source says, "A majority of prisoners, juvenile detention inmates, high school dropouts, pregnant teenagers, adolescent murderers and rapists all come from fatherless homes" (Father Facts (Lancaster, Pennsylvania: National Fatherhood Initiative, 1996); Cynthia Daniels, ed., Lost Fathers: The Politics of Fatherlessness in America (New York: St. Martin’s Press, 1998). See: http://www.ncpa.org/pub/st267?pg=3<br /><br />Third, there are many people who self-identify as Christians, but they hold unbiblical/unchristian views such a reincarnation (Hinduism), etc. etc. I attended a Bible reading Christian congregation with about 200 people and it was my first church. Only one couple divorced and when they met the pastor for a pre-marriage meeting for one reason another he suggested they not marry each other or they were not ready for marriage. They divorced but then later remarried each other. That is a pretty good record in many countries for a church.<br /><br />I am guessing divorces among Christians depends on how immature the culture is, how solid the church is, their families, and obviously how solid the couple is. From what I have seen, all other things remaining equal, Bible believers are better prepared for marriage success. <br /><br />Lastly, since divorce is lengthy topic and it is only tangentially related to polyamory. I am not going to be posting a lot of comments on this matter.15 questions for evolutionistshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14858214883301865096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4680321916138509918.post-44447435708323164962012-06-20T13:06:45.524-07:002012-06-20T13:06:45.524-07:00Hello,
Just wanted to point out that wingman had ...Hello,<br /><br />Just wanted to point out that wingman had a valid point, when it came to the statistics.<br /><br />In terms of break ups, is it unsusual for Christians to have dated more than one person in their life? (And I do not mean at the same time.) I ask this because it seems, at least in the region of North America that I am currently in, that it is normal to have a couple break ups. After all, not everyone is lucky enough to find their life partner on their first try. Don't you think judging through break ups is a bit harsh and unfair? If not, why? And what are the break up statistics of Christian couples?<br /><br />Also, what is the divorce rate of Christians? Just to compare. And on top of that, it must be considered that not every marriage is a happy one. Is it not possible that religeous couples could feel pressured to stay together despite possible problems? Such as, perhaps, spousal abuse? <br /><br />Now I know you may say that those people would then not be considered true Christians, despite their saying so. But the same could be said for self proclaimed atheists that perhaps, do not all have the same idea of what an atheist is. The fact remains that the originally mentioned (hypothetical) problem couple have name themselves as Christians, and would, in this hypothetical situation, feels pressures because of their faith (as well as expectations of family influenced by their faith). For this reason, they would still be a considered part of a valid statistic of Christian couples.<br /><br />This is also the reason why statistics are difficult things to use when making a point, wouldn't you say?<br /><br />I'm sorry for the long post. I'm sure you already knew all this, considering you did so well in your university level statistics class. It was more clarification to any later viewers, as well as a clarification of wingman's unhappiness on the subject. Thank you for taking the time to read, and I look forward to your answers on these troubling questions.<br /><br />P.S. While I understand you wish to convert people, please do not answer my questions by saying one should repent and accept Jesus. You have used statistics and implied you have facts, sir. Responding without them, and simply saying god's standards are high is not really an answer, I'm sorry to say. That said, I am interested to see what you have to say on the matter. <br /><br />Once again, thank you for your time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4680321916138509918.post-41320439010442113852012-06-15T15:02:17.709-07:002012-06-15T15:02:17.709-07:00Wingman,
I received an above average grade in my ...Wingman,<br /><br />I received an above average grade in my last statistics class which was at the university level. That puts the kibosh on your irrelevant and unnecessary snide comment, doesn't it? <br /><br />Second, God's not going to lower his standards in any area and God's standards are far higher than yours. And after all is said and done, you need to repent of your sins and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. You will stand before Him and give an account.15 questions for evolutionistshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14858214883301865096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4680321916138509918.post-85308995893400836322012-06-15T08:09:23.873-07:002012-06-15T08:09:23.873-07:00“Barna did not include this enlightening fact in h...“Barna did not include this enlightening fact in his research. Thus, if 21% of atheists divorce after marriage, and 45 % break up once or more before marriage, what we have is the astounding rate of about 66% of atheist couples experiencing ‘at least’ one break up. If, however, the number is 37%, then we have a shocking figure of 82%"<br /><br />WOW...is this what you consider statistical analysis? You couldn't pass a High School level statistics course with this poor work. How many people, in general, never experience a break-up? DO you think most Christians marry the first person they date typically? Do Christian couples(married or not)rarely break-up? <br /><br />There are a whole lot of bad assumptions and poor logic being employed in that quote.Wingman77https://www.blogger.com/profile/12073325710918630345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4680321916138509918.post-66600852390256526502012-06-15T05:36:50.915-07:002012-06-15T05:36:50.915-07:00A Christian Polyamory site
http://polytical.org/2...A Christian Polyamory site<br /><br />http://polytical.org/2012/02/god-is-love/<br /><br />and another...<br /><br />http://www.lovemore.com/blog/?p=52<br /><br />and another...<br /><br />http://christianpoly.livejournal.com/<br /><br /><br />and those were just 3 on the first Google Search page!!!<br /><br />I guess polyamory is not just for Atheists!Wingman77https://www.blogger.com/profile/12073325710918630345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4680321916138509918.post-65658562703118052852012-06-15T05:31:53.610-07:002012-06-15T05:31:53.610-07:00There is a big difference between dating several w...There is a big difference between dating several women and marriage. You really have to stretch the truth and go out of your way to discuss "polyamory" in moral terms.<br /><br />"God's gold standard is monogamy or to remain single. It appears as if several atheist leaders and many atheists do not have the same standard."<br /><br />First of all, saying "several" or "many" atheists is completely unsubstantiated and as honest as saying "many" Christians bomb abortion clinics. You can't even decipher from any of your "evidence" who is engaging in polyamory, perhaps "many" Christians are as well? Secondly, god's "gold standard" is a standard for marriage not dating. You're welcome to think differently but, as with most of the bible, your interpretation is no better or worse than anyone else'. Finally....god's standard on dating (if it exists)is your standard, if you want to follow it that's your choice but thankfully the rest of us don't have to follow silly, interpretive standards that make little sense to anyone who doesn't use a 2000 year old book to run their lives.Wingman77https://www.blogger.com/profile/12073325710918630345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4680321916138509918.post-4321796921715258272012-06-14T16:31:55.688-07:002012-06-14T16:31:55.688-07:00Joebob,
The Apostle Paul was clear in his qualifi...Joebob,<br /><br />The Apostle Paul was clear in his qualifications to be a Christian leader/pastor that he is to be the husband of one wife (See: 1 Timothy 3:2, 12 and Titus 1:6). Of course, a single man could have a place of leadership as well as Paul was not married at the time he became an apostle although he may have been married previously and been a widower.<br /><br />God's gold standard is monogamy or to remain single. It appears as if several atheist leaders and many atheists do not have the same standard.<br /><br />The prophet Moses wrote: “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.” (Genesis 2:24).<br /><br />Jesus does say concerning divorce that he allowed it in the Old Testament due to the hardness of men's hearts (Matthew 19:8). Perhaps, some of the cases of polygamy in the Old Testament were allowed for the same reason (King David and King Solomon for example). <br /><br />Also, I believe that careful Bible exegesis indicates that the New Testament allows for divorce in the case of a spouse committing adultery (Matthew 5:32 and 19:9).15 questions for evolutionistshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14858214883301865096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4680321916138509918.post-29333376521962997712012-06-14T15:25:21.616-07:002012-06-14T15:25:21.616-07:00Polyamory does not sound like something I - or mos...Polyamory does not sound like something I - or most people, for that matter - would choose, but where in the Bible is this forbidden? There has been no evidence given that the people mentioned to be in polyamorous relationships have violated Biblical law, only speculation about what this could possibly lead to.<br /><br />If the author chooses to respond to this comment, I request that the response stay on topic.joebob002003https://www.blogger.com/profile/13747299727110774874noreply@blogger.com